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		<title>By: Bee Study Bogus? Most Likely&#160;&#124;&#160;Safelawns Daily Post and Q&#38;A Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bee Study Bogus? Most Likely&#160;&#124;&#160;Safelawns Daily Post and Q&#38;A Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 02:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the pesticide responsible for the bee-killing phenomenon known as Colony Collapse Disorder: http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/. And like the wobbly counter-puncher who won&#8217;t give up, the pesticide industry keeps trotting [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the pesticide responsible for the bee-killing phenomenon known as Colony Collapse Disorder: <a href="http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/" rel="nofollow">http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/</a>. And like the wobbly counter-puncher who won&#8217;t give up, the pesticide industry keeps trotting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Micheline L.</title>
		<link>http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/comment-page-1/#comment-12577</link>
		<dc:creator>Micheline L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Paul we met in Hudson. I stumbled upon this post on imidacloprid and had to respond. I&#039;m an agronomist and biologist and my business (Solution Alternatives Environnement) is fighting quite a battle in Québec to prevent (I write pesticide bylawns for cities wanting to ban pesticides and there are over 125 municipalities in Quebec banning pesticides) the use of imidaclorpid. Great info in the post but one info missing. In Canada there has been a emergency registration since 2008 for neem extract (injection) as control of emerald ash borer. Imidaclorpid/Merit is not even registered for this use in Canada. But Neem being a systemic is quite effective. Great research done by the Canadian Forest Service&#039;s (CFS) and Bioforest technologies who designed a special injection system for neem. You can find great info from this website: http://www.bioforest.ca/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul we met in Hudson. I stumbled upon this post on imidacloprid and had to respond. I&#8217;m an agronomist and biologist and my business (Solution Alternatives Environnement) is fighting quite a battle in Québec to prevent (I write pesticide bylawns for cities wanting to ban pesticides and there are over 125 municipalities in Quebec banning pesticides) the use of imidaclorpid. Great info in the post but one info missing. In Canada there has been a emergency registration since 2008 for neem extract (injection) as control of emerald ash borer. Imidaclorpid/Merit is not even registered for this use in Canada. But Neem being a systemic is quite effective. Great research done by the Canadian Forest Service&#8217;s (CFS) and Bioforest technologies who designed a special injection system for neem. You can find great info from this website: <a href="http://www.bioforest.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bioforest.ca/</a></p>
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		<title>By: French Warn of Consequences of Pesticides to Bees&#160;&#124;&#160;Safelawns Daily Post and Q&#38;A Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>French Warn of Consequences of Pesticides to Bees&#160;&#124;&#160;Safelawns Daily Post and Q&#38;A Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] French were the first to associate Colony Collapse Disorder of bees with a group of pesticides made from synthetic nicotine. Many of the pesticides were banned [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Tukey</title>
		<link>http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/comment-page-1/#comment-5189</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tukey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comment, Slappy. Couldn&#039;t agree more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comment, Slappy. Couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
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		<title>By: Slappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;yet most homeowners who apply imidacloprid for grub control on their lawns or insect control on their fruit trees never even think about the impact on bees. Most people have never heard the word imidacloprid, which is buried in the fine print of the pesticide label.&quot;

While the active ingredient is NOT buried in the fine print of the product label, the reason for this quote was about the homeowner.  In many cases, the homeowner is the reason for a product to become &quot;restricted use&quot; or to be banned completely.  The old adage &quot;more is good&quot; comes to mind. In addition, anyone who apples this type of a systemic to a fruit tree is nuts.  Afterall, it is a systemic product that attaches to the carbon cell to translocate through the plant. A quicker contact product or horticultural oil will suffice for most fruit tree pests.  

Unfortunately, homeowners should never have access to most of the pesticide products on the market.  Only a certified applicator should use these products.  Trust me  , I am an arborist and I have seen the devestation from ALB and from emerald ash borer as well as the haphazard use of pesticides by non-certified applicators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;yet most homeowners who apply imidacloprid for grub control on their lawns or insect control on their fruit trees never even think about the impact on bees. Most people have never heard the word imidacloprid, which is buried in the fine print of the pesticide label.&#8221;</p>
<p>While the active ingredient is NOT buried in the fine print of the product label, the reason for this quote was about the homeowner.  In many cases, the homeowner is the reason for a product to become &#8220;restricted use&#8221; or to be banned completely.  The old adage &#8220;more is good&#8221; comes to mind. In addition, anyone who apples this type of a systemic to a fruit tree is nuts.  Afterall, it is a systemic product that attaches to the carbon cell to translocate through the plant. A quicker contact product or horticultural oil will suffice for most fruit tree pests.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, homeowners should never have access to most of the pesticide products on the market.  Only a certified applicator should use these products.  Trust me  , I am an arborist and I have seen the devestation from ALB and from emerald ash borer as well as the haphazard use of pesticides by non-certified applicators.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph J. Rosati</title>
		<link>http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/comment-page-1/#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph J. Rosati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, we are fighting a losing battle.  Every applicator knows what immidacloprid does to bees.  Ask anyone in the industry what is the best pesticide to kill bees.  Imidacloprid and Fipronil are the most deadly pesticides ever used for bees.  They are persistent; up to one year.  If one bee touches a plant with either of these pesticides on it, they will kill an entire colony in days.  Virus on you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, we are fighting a losing battle.  Every applicator knows what immidacloprid does to bees.  Ask anyone in the industry what is the best pesticide to kill bees.  Imidacloprid and Fipronil are the most deadly pesticides ever used for bees.  They are persistent; up to one year.  If one bee touches a plant with either of these pesticides on it, they will kill an entire colony in days.  Virus on you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Sawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Sawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
I agree with what you&#039;re saying, but it needs to be taken one step further. I&#039;ve been following this issue ever since Paul told us about the imidacloprid and bee connection a couple of years ago. Then 60 Minutes did a piece on it, which also mentioned the connection. I&#039;ve talked to bee keepers and some scientists and I&#039;ve read all the reports. At this point anyone who suggests there IS NOT a connection between colony collapse and imidacloprid either a) has their head up their ass or b) has a financial connection to a chemical company. Let&#039;s be real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
I agree with what you&#8217;re saying, but it needs to be taken one step further. I&#8217;ve been following this issue ever since Paul told us about the imidacloprid and bee connection a couple of years ago. Then 60 Minutes did a piece on it, which also mentioned the connection. I&#8217;ve talked to bee keepers and some scientists and I&#8217;ve read all the reports. At this point anyone who suggests there IS NOT a connection between colony collapse and imidacloprid either a) has their head up their ass or b) has a financial connection to a chemical company. Let&#8217;s be real.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tukey</title>
		<link>http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/09/imidacloprid-what-you-must-know-now/comment-page-1/#comment-2072</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Tukey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
Great email. Thanks for the clarification on the adelgid issue with imidacloprid. Since I gave up my own pesticide applicator license 14 years ago, or so, I don&#039;t do a good job of keeping up with what chemicals are being used to kill whatever pest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
Great email. Thanks for the clarification on the adelgid issue with imidacloprid. Since I gave up my own pesticide applicator license 14 years ago, or so, I don&#8217;t do a good job of keeping up with what chemicals are being used to kill whatever pest.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Reil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Reil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EC, you need to check who&#039;s checking the facts...

The EPA&#039;s primary recognized and funded studies on CCD are happening at Penn State. Penn State has been presented with many millons of dollars from Bayer (American headquarters in Pitssburgh, where 148 of just over two hundred Bayer Ag employees are Nittany Lions), with nearly two million directly given to the Agriculture programs. Bayer also bankrolled the rebuild of the Pesticide Research Lab at Pen State, which interestingly has been renamed the Chemical Ecology Lab. And the studies there continue to focus on the 50 PPB range and higher, a range detectable and avoided by bees. EU studies find bee injury and mortality have been found to start and culminate in the 2-6 PPB range, a fact convenient to Bayer, and continually misleading in it&#039;s &quot;studies&quot;. And these are exactly the levels we expect to see after several years of degradation of this product. And as ALL plant life uptakes this chemical, concentrating it to flowering points (hence pollen), any pollen gathering insect can expect a nearly continual exposure ass this stuff is introduced and reintroduced by wave after wave of plants (so even hemlock application will eventually move it to the bees perview, and yes, Paul, this is a very commonly used pesticide for wooly adlegid).

Until sub-lethal testing is actually performed, one cannot rule out chronic neonicotinoid poisoning as a component of CCD.  And considering that no actual EPA-mandated, required-by-law study has ever been performed, I am completely at a loss to see how EC determined neonicotinoids having been ruled out. Imidicloprid has operated under nearly 200 Section 18 emergency waivers since it&#039;s introduction around 1997, despite the fact that Section 18 specifically states that such exemptions are to last &quot;1) Specific or public health exemptions: no longer than one year 2) Quarantine exemptions: no longer than three years.&quot; It is also interesting to note that any facts pointing to secondary poisoning or other environmental factor should immediately suspend a Section 18 waiver, hence the need for Bayer et al to squash any sign that there might be a connection. Also interesting in this regard is the EPA&#039;s now seven year long refusal to honor an FOI request submitted by the NRDC

So we have a lab virtually built (and almost certainly named) by the manufacturer of said toxin, to study the effects of said best selling product, one on which said company has clearly bet the farm, and now said lab is returning a clean bill of health. What a surprise. Yet the EU finded studies, actually working with sub-lethal dosing found that Bayer outright lied on initial claims (saying it would never reach nectar or pollen despite no real supporting evidence, and that 5 PPM was the bee-lethal dose, despite the fact that it is 100 times more lethal than that) and that after 416 days of fallow conditions, 56% of the product was still viable in the soil and uptaken in a new crop. Perhaps most damning would be the company&#039;s own text on a bag of their IMD product for termites &quot;they stop feeding and are unable to maintain their colony.&quot; and &quot;This product makes termites susceptible to to infection by naturally occurring organisms.&quot;

Perhaps we cannot yet clearly point to IMD as the single causal agent in CCD, but there is ample evidence to support it&#039;s destabilizing effect on bee colonies. On this alone we have sufficient and legally binding cause to suspend Section 18 exemmption and subject all neonicotinoid pesticides to tha actual reviews demanded by our laws. As to why these are not already being enforced as enacted is another troubling conversation for another day, but IMD is clearly tied into CCD and should be disposed of on that alone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EC, you need to check who&#8217;s checking the facts&#8230;</p>
<p>The EPA&#8217;s primary recognized and funded studies on CCD are happening at Penn State. Penn State has been presented with many millons of dollars from Bayer (American headquarters in Pitssburgh, where 148 of just over two hundred Bayer Ag employees are Nittany Lions), with nearly two million directly given to the Agriculture programs. Bayer also bankrolled the rebuild of the Pesticide Research Lab at Pen State, which interestingly has been renamed the Chemical Ecology Lab. And the studies there continue to focus on the 50 PPB range and higher, a range detectable and avoided by bees. EU studies find bee injury and mortality have been found to start and culminate in the 2-6 PPB range, a fact convenient to Bayer, and continually misleading in it&#8217;s &#8220;studies&#8221;. And these are exactly the levels we expect to see after several years of degradation of this product. And as ALL plant life uptakes this chemical, concentrating it to flowering points (hence pollen), any pollen gathering insect can expect a nearly continual exposure ass this stuff is introduced and reintroduced by wave after wave of plants (so even hemlock application will eventually move it to the bees perview, and yes, Paul, this is a very commonly used pesticide for wooly adlegid).</p>
<p>Until sub-lethal testing is actually performed, one cannot rule out chronic neonicotinoid poisoning as a component of CCD.  And considering that no actual EPA-mandated, required-by-law study has ever been performed, I am completely at a loss to see how EC determined neonicotinoids having been ruled out. Imidicloprid has operated under nearly 200 Section 18 emergency waivers since it&#8217;s introduction around 1997, despite the fact that Section 18 specifically states that such exemptions are to last &#8220;1) Specific or public health exemptions: no longer than one year 2) Quarantine exemptions: no longer than three years.&#8221; It is also interesting to note that any facts pointing to secondary poisoning or other environmental factor should immediately suspend a Section 18 waiver, hence the need for Bayer et al to squash any sign that there might be a connection. Also interesting in this regard is the EPA&#8217;s now seven year long refusal to honor an FOI request submitted by the NRDC</p>
<p>So we have a lab virtually built (and almost certainly named) by the manufacturer of said toxin, to study the effects of said best selling product, one on which said company has clearly bet the farm, and now said lab is returning a clean bill of health. What a surprise. Yet the EU finded studies, actually working with sub-lethal dosing found that Bayer outright lied on initial claims (saying it would never reach nectar or pollen despite no real supporting evidence, and that 5 PPM was the bee-lethal dose, despite the fact that it is 100 times more lethal than that) and that after 416 days of fallow conditions, 56% of the product was still viable in the soil and uptaken in a new crop. Perhaps most damning would be the company&#8217;s own text on a bag of their IMD product for termites &#8220;they stop feeding and are unable to maintain their colony.&#8221; and &#8220;This product makes termites susceptible to to infection by naturally occurring organisms.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps we cannot yet clearly point to IMD as the single causal agent in CCD, but there is ample evidence to support it&#8217;s destabilizing effect on bee colonies. On this alone we have sufficient and legally binding cause to suspend Section 18 exemmption and subject all neonicotinoid pesticides to tha actual reviews demanded by our laws. As to why these are not already being enforced as enacted is another troubling conversation for another day, but IMD is clearly tied into CCD and should be disposed of on that alone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tukey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Tukey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theories about viruses being the exclusive cause of colony collapse are simply smokescreens designed to throw people off the trail of pesticides. Viruses have devastating effects on bees that are already weakened by pesticides. Viruses are a symptom, not a cause. Check out this article: http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/11/more-evidence-points-to-pesticides-killing-bees/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theories about viruses being the exclusive cause of colony collapse are simply smokescreens designed to throw people off the trail of pesticides. Viruses have devastating effects on bees that are already weakened by pesticides. Viruses are a symptom, not a cause. Check out this article: <a href="http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/11/more-evidence-points-to-pesticides-killing-bees/." rel="nofollow">http://www.safelawns.org/blog/index.php/2009/11/more-evidence-points-to-pesticides-killing-bees/.</a></p>
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